Will I regret this?

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looking for some advice on this run

i probably should revamp my entire tool layout but I am used to my layout.

Could anyone offer any advice if I am going to regret this run?

Thanks in advance!
 

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The intake is very short and convoluted and will seriously constrain good dust collection. The intake on your old Oneida was oriented in a much better direction and you should rotate the blower housing to allow a straight section before the first wye joint. I would consider moving either the cyclone or the first few tools that it serves to improve the collection efficiency.
 
I probably need to change the entire shop layout which involves a good deal of change to the electrical

do you think it is more going to affect separation or power(cfm)

i can live live the extra filter cleaning for the next few months but I want the dust to be picked up at the machine

i originally had a slightly longer run out the gate but was recommended to begin my y sooner

Thanks!
 
This was the longer run at the inlet
 

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As currently laid out, you have 3 major dust producing tools clustered around your cyclone -- your planer, your jointer and your bandsaw. Your table saw (major use and source) and drill press (less use and less dust) are farther away. I'd recommend relocating your cyclone to the left far corner of your shop and running ductwork diagonally toward the front right at a height to avoid your garage doors. After an 8-10 foot straight rub, add a down-turned wye for the tablesaw, then add another wye about midway that turns at ceiling level toward the planer. On the planer branch, add a sub-branch to cover the drill press. Back on the main trunk, add a wye to serve the jointer, again going across the ceiling. The branch can have an added wye for your bandsaw. Place blast gate near each tool with a short flexible duct connection, but always hard duct back to the mains. This should increase your airflow and minimize the amount of electrical outlet relocation work.
 
Ok. You convinced me but I can’t do a diagonal so I’’m changing the shop layout to have the collector in the back corner.

My new question is will a straight run and a 90 degree turn( I’ll use 2 45s) be better the an early y?

The y will be at such an angle that I’ll need to curve it again or it will shoot too far away.

I thought the continuous run would reduce the need to pressurize two different runs.

The early y option would require a few more bends which could hurt the pressure

Thanks in advance!

micha
 

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Finally laying out the new plan!

Any glaring mistakes that I should adjust

Thanks!
 

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Much better layout! I suggest using ClearVue's Blast Gates as they are designed for use with the 6" S&D pipe and are self cleaning. For Flexible duct, I used 6" Economy PVC Duct from McMaster Carr, which is less expensive that the comparable duct from Wynn Environmental.
 
Thanks!! Unfortunately I bought my pipe from Ferguson sewer and it was pricey. I used the as2729 thin walled pipe. I have a few gates from lee valley but I need a few more. I need to place an order to clearvue this week. Also need to get those cool 6-4 splits from clearvue. I’m considering reducing to 5 inch on few runs since I have a lot of 5 inch flex hose from my last system.

i wound up using cord weatherstripping for my connections instead of silicone and I think it’s going to work well!

ill post some pics when I get a bit further along.

thanks for the tips!
 
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Just about done! Still having trouble deciding best Mitersaw set up. Trying out a few configurations and may even go back to a shop vac....
 
Mmm.. we appear to have the same mitre saws! I have the 12" Bosch with the knuckle-joint mechanism, probably for the same reason you do: requires a lot less depth when placed against a wall. For mine, I split the 6" dust intake into a 6" plus a 3", further reducing the 3" down to shopvac hose size (2.25") and running that to the onboard 1" dust port of the saw. The main 6" feed goes to half inch slots in the base of the stand, surrounding the base of the saw. So when the D/C is on, it pulls most of the dust directly from the saw's tiny dust port, and anything else gets pulled down into those slots that surround the saw on three sides. Works very well.

Cheers
 
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