Cyclone Location

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rexk

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Ed,

I have just purchased one of your new cyclone kits and as I await delivery. I am planning its location in a new house to us. We will have a three car garage. I plan on partitioning off one car width (with door) for my shop (330 sq. ft.). My thinking is to put the cyclone outside and adjacent to the shop but in the "two car" part of the garage. I have two questions. First, am I running a risk of carbon monoxcide poisoning by having the cyclone in that part of the garage which also includes the house furnace and two water heaters? Popping a window in the shop in the summer time to serve as a clean air input should be an adequate fresh air source. Howver, in the wintertime (we are in the snow belt), such a fresh air resource can be prohibitive for comfortable shop work. If this location is problematical, I assume that will not be a hazard if the cyclone is placed directly in the shop. The latter location is not my preference because I need all the space I can get. However if that is the only alternative to poisoning, that's what will be done!

The second question deals with the consequences of the height of the unit. My shop floor to ceiling distance is 8' 2". The ceiling is drywalled. I am planning on removing the drywall directly over the motor position so that I can gain 4"-6" more in heigh for the cyclone. Do I need to make that recess in the ceiling considerably larger than the motor for purposes of dissipating heat from it?

Thanks in advance for your anticipated response.

Rex (my order has the name Eugene on it) :)
 
Rex,
If you partition one section of the garage and put the cyclone in the other part, you will need a return air vent so the air being sucked out of your room is replaced. If you look at Charlie's post on how he's doing his you can do something similar with the baffel to reduce the noise in your shop. Now, as to the air flow.....if you have a baffeled opening in the wall right at the filters then the air will come out of the filters and get sucked right back into your shop. The rest of your 2 car garage will have almost no air flow in it. You won't be sucking in air from the outside, so you shouldn't have any problem with carbon monoxcide...unless of course you have one now. If you were exausting the air from the dust collector to the outside, then you would stand a chance of sucking in air thru the chimneys from your gas appliances and could creat a problem. I hope this is clearer than mud.

I have talked to Bill about the height problems that we (with 8' ceilings) have. We had a long talk about it a couple of months ago and came up with several things in the cyclone design that could be changed. Example: He has 21.75" on the top cyclinder when we actually only need 18" + 3/4" for MDF top. He put that in there to accomodate the people that did Air Foil blowers so they could build the bell end into the blower.

Anyway, after all is said and done, our last run of cyclones (including the one I just shipped you) are now right at 48" total. The Blower and Motor stand right at 18". That is a total of 66". Without doing anything to the ceiling and allowing 1" of clearence at the top for the motor, you will have 31" under your cyclone. That will fit a 30 gal trash can easy.

If you need more than that and want to stick the motor up in the joists, I would duct air to the top of the motor. If you simply put a 4" pipe from close to the motor top and run it down into the room, the fan on the motor will draw air from the room. That would keep the hot discharge air that's coming out of the motor from going right back up to the top and getting sucked in again.

Good luck and keep us posted.......and we need pictures too!
 
Ed,

Thanks for the "clear as mud" description (just kidding). It was fine. Just after I sent my set of two questions i went to the "installation" part of the forum and read all of Charlies comments. They indeed are helpful.

I will be glad to send pictures as we install (got the message today that you have shipped the system). Unfortunately, that will be a while. We start moving to the new house late next week and I have about 150 yards of carpet to pull, some tile to take up and a fireplace facing and mantle to remove. That's in addition to moving most of the small stuff from 48 years of marriage. The heavy stuff will be done by movers. On the plus side, the move is only about 7 miles and we will have about a half dozen others helping.

I want to get the shop up quickly as I have some closets to redo and may need to make the mantle for the new fireplace.

I will post more as we get to the appropriate point.

Thanks again,

Rex
 
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