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Thanks Ed, I got some info fronm the Wood magazine site to. I hope to have this "sucker" going by next week.
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I got the baffle built and installed. My intention was to use wood and glue on hard insulation, but as I went thu the garage I spied a styerfoam box that my wife had ordered steaks in. It is 2" thick and I sawed the side down a little and cut an opening 12X12" in the end. I glued it between the studs inside the shop the made up a another baffle in the "closet" out of hardboard insulation
see pictures ( the hole on the left is where my pie goes thu to the cyclone.
see pictures ( the hole on the left is where my pie goes thu to the cyclone.
3-29-05 tested motor amps
With no filters or pipe 10.1 amps (motor is 10amp Delta 2HP)
With filters attached 10 amps
With 10 foot 6" pipe 10 amps
With blast gate closed 1" 9.8 amp
I have't checked for leaks yet but didn't notice any.
I installed one piece of pipe with a foot of flex between the cyclone and pipe to kill any vibration.
This thing really sucks and the noise level is not bad. I will test that and post results as soon as I get some machines hooked up. I can't hear the fan at all but there is a bit of air noise coming from the open pipe. I will post some pictures soon. It was to dark to take them last night.
With no filters or pipe 10.1 amps (motor is 10amp Delta 2HP)
With filters attached 10 amps
With 10 foot 6" pipe 10 amps
With blast gate closed 1" 9.8 amp
I have't checked for leaks yet but didn't notice any.
I installed one piece of pipe with a foot of flex between the cyclone and pipe to kill any vibration.
This thing really sucks and the noise level is not bad. I will test that and post results as soon as I get some machines hooked up. I can't hear the fan at all but there is a bit of air noise coming from the open pipe. I will post some pictures soon. It was to dark to take them last night.
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Charlie,
Your current measurements don't match what Matt and I got on his system. We measured over 14 amps with the gates open and with everything closed it was measuring something like 7.8 amps. I'm wondering what the difference is. You both have the Sheldon Impeller with our blower housing so I'm wondering if your motor is turning in the right direction. Should be clockwise when you look from the top down. Another way to look at it is the blades of the impeller should be comming at you if you look in the discharge end of the blower. NOTE Please don't look in there when the blower is under power....that would be very dangerous as anything could come out...wait till the motor is almost stopped. Anyway check that and let me know. I'm curious about the current draw....it should be more.
Ed
Your current measurements don't match what Matt and I got on his system. We measured over 14 amps with the gates open and with everything closed it was measuring something like 7.8 amps. I'm wondering what the difference is. You both have the Sheldon Impeller with our blower housing so I'm wondering if your motor is turning in the right direction. Should be clockwise when you look from the top down. Another way to look at it is the blades of the impeller should be comming at you if you look in the discharge end of the blower. NOTE Please don't look in there when the blower is under power....that would be very dangerous as anything could come out...wait till the motor is almost stopped. Anyway check that and let me know. I'm curious about the current draw....it should be more.
Ed
Ed ,
Remimber I am useing the Delta 2 Hp motor which is rated at 10 amps. Here is a copy of e-mail from Bill Pentz.
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:17 AM
To: Charlie Jones
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
Thank you for sharing your testing results. Sounds like you have a winning combination. I still prefer the heavier Leeson compressor motor, but the Delta will let you buy nearly three of those for one Leeson, so is a much more affordable solution. The motor rating is 10.4 amps, so your system holding at 10 should work out just fine. Remember that startup takes a lot of juice to get that heavy, high air resistant impeller up to speed and during that time you are pushing the motor hard, so the less often you start and stop the motor the better. Also, keep track of the motor temperature. I have a couple of guys who installed the Delta motors in between rafters in their basements and chose to use muffin fans to ensure ample airflow to keep them cool. Regardless, good work. Thanks again for sharing.
If you would like to do a little write up on your experiences using this motor for my budget blower page, I would be happy to add it to that page.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:05 AM
To: 'Bill Pentz'
Subject: RE: Motor
Bill,
I hope you are doing ok. As promised here are the results of amp tests on my Delta 2HP motor and Clear Vue cyclone.
I used a good AW Sperry digital meter.
No filters or pipe 10.1 amps.
Filter stack attached (2 9300DBL Wynn ) 10 amps.
10 foot 6" pipe 9.9 to 10 amps.
Closed blast gate 1" 9.8 amps.
This thing really sucks! I don't have access to gauges to test CFM right now but plan to buy one on the future. I do have a noise dosimeter so I'll send you results of that when I get some machines attached. I'll have pictures soon.
charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:35 PM
To: Charlie Jones
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
Will look forward to hearing from you on the amps and seeing some pictures. Take care.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:42 PM
To: 'Bill Pentz'
Subject: RE: Motor
Great, thanks Bill. It may take me a while to get all my ducting changed. I will have some 4" until then. I will check the amps and let you know. I can send pic's to. I am planning on mounting the cyclone behind the shop and running the filter stack back inside.
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: Charlie Jones
Cc: Ed Morgano
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
My testing shows the 10 amp Delta draws 10.4 amps in my shop with about the same amount of ducting as would be in yours. I cut the inlet down to about 5.25 and that brought the amperage below 10 with my most open run. If you use an amp meter and do the same kind of adjustment to pull your amps below 10, you should be fine. This is a much better motor than the HF, so I would stay with the Delta instead of going for additional power. Moreover, the face mount on the Delta is identical to the Leeson so Eds blower is a perfect fit. Let me know how small, it at all you had to close down your inlet for this to work for you. I am trying to collect more data to share on my pages.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:37 AM
To: BPentz@cnets.net
Subject: Motor
Bill,
Hello, I have been studying your site for the last couple of weeks and have decided to install a cyclone. I am going to Pickens tomarrow and look at Ed's Clear-Vue. My shop is 16x20 with 5 larger machines. I will have about 50 feet of total 6" ducting. As always, I need to keep the cost down.
My question is. Do you think I will be ok with the 2HP Delta motor and Sheldons impeller. Will this give me enough airflow
or will I be better off with the HF motor. i would like the Leeson but my buget is tight.
Thanks a bunch-when this is all over I'll try and send you a few bucks to held with the website.
Charlie Jones
Remimber I am useing the Delta 2 Hp motor which is rated at 10 amps. Here is a copy of e-mail from Bill Pentz.
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:17 AM
To: Charlie Jones
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
Thank you for sharing your testing results. Sounds like you have a winning combination. I still prefer the heavier Leeson compressor motor, but the Delta will let you buy nearly three of those for one Leeson, so is a much more affordable solution. The motor rating is 10.4 amps, so your system holding at 10 should work out just fine. Remember that startup takes a lot of juice to get that heavy, high air resistant impeller up to speed and during that time you are pushing the motor hard, so the less often you start and stop the motor the better. Also, keep track of the motor temperature. I have a couple of guys who installed the Delta motors in between rafters in their basements and chose to use muffin fans to ensure ample airflow to keep them cool. Regardless, good work. Thanks again for sharing.
If you would like to do a little write up on your experiences using this motor for my budget blower page, I would be happy to add it to that page.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:05 AM
To: 'Bill Pentz'
Subject: RE: Motor
Bill,
I hope you are doing ok. As promised here are the results of amp tests on my Delta 2HP motor and Clear Vue cyclone.
I used a good AW Sperry digital meter.
No filters or pipe 10.1 amps.
Filter stack attached (2 9300DBL Wynn ) 10 amps.
10 foot 6" pipe 9.9 to 10 amps.
Closed blast gate 1" 9.8 amps.
This thing really sucks! I don't have access to gauges to test CFM right now but plan to buy one on the future. I do have a noise dosimeter so I'll send you results of that when I get some machines attached. I'll have pictures soon.
charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:35 PM
To: Charlie Jones
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
Will look forward to hearing from you on the amps and seeing some pictures. Take care.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:42 PM
To: 'Bill Pentz'
Subject: RE: Motor
Great, thanks Bill. It may take me a while to get all my ducting changed. I will have some 4" until then. I will check the amps and let you know. I can send pic's to. I am planning on mounting the cyclone behind the shop and running the filter stack back inside.
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pentz [mailto:bpentz@cnets.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: Charlie Jones
Cc: Ed Morgano
Subject: RE: Motor
Charlie,
My testing shows the 10 amp Delta draws 10.4 amps in my shop with about the same amount of ducting as would be in yours. I cut the inlet down to about 5.25 and that brought the amperage below 10 with my most open run. If you use an amp meter and do the same kind of adjustment to pull your amps below 10, you should be fine. This is a much better motor than the HF, so I would stay with the Delta instead of going for additional power. Moreover, the face mount on the Delta is identical to the Leeson so Eds blower is a perfect fit. Let me know how small, it at all you had to close down your inlet for this to work for you. I am trying to collect more data to share on my pages.
Bill Pentz
Massage Table: http://billpentz.com/Massage/Index.html
Cyclone and Dust Collection: http://BillPentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Jones [mailto:cvj1@citcom.net]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:37 AM
To: BPentz@cnets.net
Subject: Motor
Bill,
Hello, I have been studying your site for the last couple of weeks and have decided to install a cyclone. I am going to Pickens tomarrow and look at Ed's Clear-Vue. My shop is 16x20 with 5 larger machines. I will have about 50 feet of total 6" ducting. As always, I need to keep the cost down.
My question is. Do you think I will be ok with the 2HP Delta motor and Sheldons impeller. Will this give me enough airflow
or will I be better off with the HF motor. i would like the Leeson but my buget is tight.
Thanks a bunch-when this is all over I'll try and send you a few bucks to held with the website.
Charlie Jones
Ed,
I checked the motor rotation and all is well. I did a temp hookup (5" )to my table saw last night and recorded 9.7 amps. (see previous post) It sure cleaned out that pile of sawdust left in there by my 1 hp unit.
I measured 72 decibels on my sound meter at the tablesaw which is in the middle of the shop. My one hp unit installed in the next room measured 77 decibels! Doing a closet pays off.
I am posting a few pictures.
Charlie
I checked the motor rotation and all is well. I did a temp hookup (5" )to my table saw last night and recorded 9.7 amps. (see previous post) It sure cleaned out that pile of sawdust left in there by my 1 hp unit.
I measured 72 decibels on my sound meter at the tablesaw which is in the middle of the shop. My one hp unit installed in the next room measured 77 decibels! Doing a closet pays off.
I am posting a few pictures.
Charlie
This is the Tablsaw drop. I have 6" S&D PVC to 6" flex. I still have the 5" hood on the Unisaw. taht will be changed later. I used a HVAC metal cap and cut out the middle for the adapter. The 4" is going to my new router table. I made this Y by cutting it with a jigsaw and glueing it together with epoxy and fiberglass cloth.
This was my most complicated drop. I used a combination of cut and glue and heat to do this one. It has a 6" LR 90 going to the lathe. A 4" to the jointer and 6'
to my belt/disc sander. I have the sander temped on 4" and a drop for cleanup. Later I plan to run 6" right up to the sander then spit to 2 4". I found that my big propane weed torch works fine for pvc. you just have to be carefull and not catch it on fire.
to my belt/disc sander. I have the sander temped on 4" and a drop for cleanup. Later I plan to run 6" right up to the sander then spit to 2 4". I found that my big propane weed torch works fine for pvc. you just have to be carefull and not catch it on fire.